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Security: John Bolton Is Fired. Or Did He Resign?

Hosted by Michael Barbaro, produced by Luke Vander Ploeg, Alexandra Leigh Young and Julia Longoria, and edited by Lisa Tobin and Marc Georges

The nationwide security adviser used to be ousted after clashing with President Trump over concerns take care of Afghanistan, Iran and North Korea. But whose option used to be it?

[PHONE RINGING]
peter baker
Hello.
michael barbaro
Hello, Peter. It’s Michael Barbaro.
peter baker
Hello, how are you?
michael barbaro
Correct, magnificent, magnificent. I factor in I’m catching you fully within the thick of it.
peter baker
Yes.
michael barbaro
Correct how within the thick of it?
peter baker
Love crashing. What’s occurring?
michael barbaro
OK. We seen the president’s tweet about John Bolton being out as Nationwide Security Consultant, and I surprise if I may presumably well per chance correct build a are watching for to you a few questions about it, or is now correct no longer a ultimate time?
peter baker
Yeah. I hang it can probably presumably well be better now to not.
michael barbaro
OK.
peter baker
Is that every body correct? Sorry.
michael barbaro
Yes. We’ll focus on in a little bit.
peter baker
OK. Thanks, bye.
michael barbaro
OK, bye. [SNAZZY MUSIC] From the Recent York Times, I’m Michael Barbaro. And here’s “The Every day.” These days, Peter Baker at last takes the call and explains what took pickle to John Bolton. It’s Wednesday, September 11th. Peter.
peter baker
Hello.
michael barbaro
Hi.
peter baker
Hi there. How are you?
michael barbaro
What a distinction a day makes. Minute 24 hours.
peter baker
Correct every other day in crazy town, as John Kelly would call it.
michael barbaro
Correct. John Kelly. Him. So the day earlier than nowadays, Peter, you were telling us that President Trump used to be calling off a peace model out the Taliban, which is exactly what his Nationwide Security Consultant, John Bolton, used to be pushing for. And that felt take care of a John Bolton favor. Now nowadays, Bolton has both been fired or he stop, searching on who you whisper. So how stop you sq. those two?
peter baker
Nicely, as soon as in a at the same time as you definately can favor a protection wrestle and lose the battle, correct? On this case, Bolton did accumulate what he wanted in the case of ending the negotiations, no longer lower than for now, with the Taliban. But he had so frail down his relationship with the president that, by lower than 24 hours later, he’s out of a job.
archived recording (stephen colbert)
Welcome to The Listless Cowl. I’m your host, Stephen Colbert.
peter baker
After we talked the day earlier than nowadays, there used to be a confrontation between the president and Bolton over this very subject.
archived recording (stephen colbert)
Donald Trump’s invited the Taliban to Camp David the weekend earlier than 11th of September. That’s take care of — there’s nothing that’s take care of that.
peter baker
Of us in Vice President Mike Pence’s camp were upset at Bolton ensuing from a list —
archived recording (stephen colbert)
Each and every Vice President Mike Pence and Nationwide Security Consultant John Bolton belief it used to be a mistake, but in accordance with —
peter baker
— that had reach out announcing that Pence had additionally been against the Camp David meeting with the Taliban. That used to be perceived by Pence’s folks as a style from Bolton’s camp to in most cases enlist allies to jabber, hiya, it wasn’t correct him.
archived recording (stephen colbert)
But in accordance with folks conscious of the talks, Trump wanted to be the deal maker who would build the final parts collectively himself, or no longer lower than be perceived to be. So.
peter baker
They deeply resented that. That used to be blamed on Bolton, pretty or no longer, and so by the time the president talked with Bolton last evening, feelings were in actuality raw.
michael barbaro
Correct, because Bolton had antagonistic the Camp David meeting, and so the thinking is that Bolton would were the one, or folks round him, to build up the discover out that, oh, I’m no longer by myself. Search, even the Vice President antagonistic this meeting.
peter baker
Precisely, and for months, the president had been roughly bristling at what he perceived to be John Bolton’s overly hawkish behold of the realm.
archived recording (donald trump)
John Bolton is in actuality a hawk. If it used to be as much as him, he’d opt on the complete world at one time, OK?
peter baker
You know, he would even joke about that.
archived recording (donald trump)
I in actuality temper John, which is classy unbelievable, isn’t it?
peter baker
He used to be the peacemaker amongst the two.
archived recording (donald trump)
No person belief that used to be going to — I’m the one which tempers him, but that’s OK. I in actuality occupy diversified aspects. I mean, I in actuality occupy John Bolton, and I in actuality occupy other folks who’re a little extra dovish than him.
peter baker
And in lots of how, that used to be magnificent because Bolton didn’t take care of rather a few this diplomacy that used to be occurring, didn’t take care of coping with the North Koreans or the Iranians or the Taliban. He didn’t belief any of them. He didn’t whisper that the United States may presumably well per chance silent accumulate in bed with these putrid actors.
archived recording (john bolton)
Yeah, here’s an all-reason insult that it’s seemingly you’ll presumably well articulate. I’ll discover it to the North Koreans. Search recordsdata from, how stop when the North Korean regime is mendacity? Reply, when their lips are transferring.
peter baker
Whereas the president, as , is someone who’s having a await the gargantuan deal. He’s going to build up a model out the Taliban. Presumably he’ll accumulate a model out Iran.
archived recording (donald trump)
All but again, I hang Iran has orderly financial capability, and I search for forward to permitting them to build up help to the stage where they’ll point out that.
peter baker
And that used to be at the core of the very gargantuan distinction between him and his Nationwide Security Consultant.
michael barbaro
So what happens this morning?
peter baker
Nicely, the morning begins in actuality roughly traditional within the White House. There used to be a meeting of the nationwide security team within the Mission Room. It used to be chaired by John Bolton, because it can probably presumably well per chance silent in most cases be without the president. A couple hours later, the White House scheduled a briefing that Bolton used to be going to present within the White House briefing room to the clicking, alongside with Secretary of Articulate, Mike Pompeo, and Secretary of the Treasury, Steve Mnuchin, to focus on terrorism efforts. Then —
archived recording
Dramatic breaking news, correct as we initiating the hour. The President of the United States asserting on Twitter, his Nationwide Security Consultant, John Bolton, is leaving.
peter baker
— correct round noon comes the tweet from the president.
archived recording
Stare the tweet from the president correct there. I requested for John, for his resignation, which used to be given to me this morning. I thank John very mighty for his provider. I will seemingly be naming a brand original Nationwide Security Consultant this week.
peter baker
Within minutes, although, comes every other tweet.
archived recording
In a surreal 2d, 12 minutes later —
peter baker
This one from John Bolton.
archived recording
— Bolton denied he used to be fired, tweeting, I supplied to resign last evening and President Trump talked about, let’s focus on the following day.
peter baker
He’s announcing that he supplied his resignation and that the president had authorised. In other phrases, it used to be his thought, no longer the president’s. So I went forward and texted him correct to make certain that we were working out that he’s giving us a diversified model. He used to be disputing the president.
michael barbaro
You texted John Bolton.
peter baker
I texted John Bolton on his cell phone, and he texted help, supplied last evening without his asking. Slept on it and gave it to him this morning. So John Bolton is disputing the model that the president gave. He’s announcing it’s no longer magnificent.
michael barbaro
And Peter, what happens to that press convention where Bolton used to be imagined to focus on?
peter baker
Nicely, they silent had a briefing —
archived recording (steve mnuchin)
Hello, all americans. So Secretary Pompeo and I are here nowadays to focus on the president’s original govt utter.
peter baker
— with Pompeo and Mnuchin, the secretaries of Articulate and Treasury, and so that they’re there to focus on —
archived recording (steve mnuchin)
Struggling with world terrorism.
peter baker
— terrorism, financing, and the diagram they’re planning to be more durable on terrorism, as we occupy the anniversary of 11th of September.
archived recording (mike pompeo)
At the present, Secretary Mnuchin and I are happy to opt out a few questions about this subject.
peter baker
But obviously, all americans within the room needs to attach a are watching for to about —
archived recording (reporter)
Did John Bolton accumulate fired or did he stop, and did he —
peter baker
— what took pickle to Bolton? And what the help list is, obviously, is that Pompeo and Bolton were at odds for months. They occupy got been in this list feud over, in most cases, the ear of the president. They portion one of the most equivalent protection views. They’re each and every elegant hawkish conservatives. But Pompeo has done extra to forestall right by diagram of the president’s magnificent graces, I would express, than John Bolton.
archived recording (reporter)
Did he mosey away the White House because he disagreed with you in particular over talks with the Taliban?
peter baker
So we requested Pompeo about this within the briefing room.
archived recording (mike pompeo)
Uh, I’ll mosey away it to the president to focus on the causes he made option, but I would express this. The president’s entitled to the workers that he wants.
peter baker
And I had to jabber, there were no tears shed on his segment for John Bolton. He talked about, search for, the president deserved to occupy someone he trusts and values.
archived recording (mike pompeo)
There were over and over Ambassador Bolton I disagreed. That’s to make superb.
peter baker
And he very overtly talked about, search for, I had rather a few disagreements. So he wasn’t attempting to even faux that they didn’t occupy a contention.
archived recording (mike pompeo)
There were in fact areas that ambassador and I had diversified views about how we may presumably well per chance silent proceed.
peter baker
At one level, they were requested —
archived recording (reporter)
Were you two blindsided by what occurred nowadays?
peter baker
— were they blindsided by this. And each and every of them grinned.
archived recording (mike pompeo)
I’m by no manner taken aback.
peter baker
And Pompeo talked about, I’m no longer taken aback by something. I’m by no manner taken aback, he talked about.
archived recording (mike pompeo)
And I don’t mean that on correct this anxiety.
michael barbaro
If Pompeo and Bolton are each and every hawks, motivate me be conscious what a distinction may presumably well per chance search for take care of for them. Let’s express, how did Bolton tackle Afghanistan and the Taliban talks versus Pompeo?
peter baker
Nicely that’s one pickle where they were at odds. Pompeo used to be extra correct in direction of the talks because he knew the president used to be for it. In other phrases, if he were left to his hang gadgets, it can probably presumably well per chance no longer be his particular option, but Pompeo used to be extra willing to subordinate his views to his president’s. And that used to be the lesson he learned from Rex Tillerson, who didn’t stop that, the key Secretary of Articulate, and ended up getting fired this capability that. Bolton, in lots of how, used to be, protection life like, very diversified than Rex Tillerson, but in the case of no longer merely going alongside to build up alongside, he used to be less willing to merely affiliate with protection suggestions that he didn’t favor. The attach he potentially went crosswise is, the president and his folks price loyalty. And in addition they by no manner rather authorised Bolton as a member of the team.
michael barbaro
Does all of that, within the pinnacle, roughly suggest to you that no subject this dispute over exactly what took pickle — no, I wasn’t fired. I resigned. No, I fired you — that within the pinnacle it sounds take care of it used to be Trump who pushed out Bolton?
peter baker
Nicely, search for, I mean, the connection used to be broken. It used to be inevitable that this used to be going to occur. Whether or no longer it used to be going to occur nowadays or every other day, it doesn’t in actuality subject that mighty because we knew that he overstayed his welcome. In other phrases, he used to be no longer in actuality going to be welcome in that White House.
michael barbaro
We’ll be correct help.
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michael barbaro
So Peter, I whisper the are watching for here is, why hire a Nationwide Security Consultant who is so fundamentally diversified from you on the anxiety of nationwide security?
peter baker
Nicely, that’s a gargantuan are watching for. What President Trump loved about John Bolton —
archived recording anchor
Joining me correct now, dilapidated U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Ambassador John Bolton. Correct to be conscious you, ambassador.
peter baker
We’re seeing him on Fox News, and in actuality aggressively articulating a conservative level of behold.
archived recording (john bolton)
Of us occupy talked about closing this border for a truly prolonged time. I was within the Reagan administration after we handed the 1986 Immigration Reform and Administration Act, rather a few which used to be, end the borders.
peter baker
He belief that Bolton used to be roughly a take care of-minded pugilistic model of a political figure. They stop portion some issues. This thought of The usa First does play into John Bolton’s philosophy as successfully. He describes himself as an American nationalist. He’s no longer all that happy with the allies. Neither is President Trump. He doesn’t in actuality whisper within the U.N. or allies or world organizations. He doesn’t whisper that they’re very efficient or that the United States may presumably well per chance silent be subordinating itself to them. Neither does President Trump. What he missed used to be that Bolton’s behold is terribly diversified than his hang behold, than President Trump’s behold, on a majority of these gargantuan concerns. On North Korea, where President Trump wanted to negotiate with Kim Jong Un, and John Bolton belief that used to be potentially unwise.
archived recording (john bolton)
There’s no longer rather a few time to waste here. Talking to the North Koreans is a waste of time.
peter baker
On Iran —
archived recording (john bolton)
How prolonged would it no longer opt for Iran to build up a deliverable nuclear weapon? Roughly sometime after North Korea will get it.
peter baker
— where correct a few months within the past, John Bolton teed up a retaliatory strike for the downing of an American surveillance drone, and the president pulled it help at the last minute, correct? On Russia, John Bolton, mighty, mighty more durable, mighty extra skeptical of Vladimir Putin’s Russia than the president, would by no manner invite them help into the G7 the formulation the president has talked about. And finally, obviously, these last few days, we see highlighted in this very gargantuan dramatic formulation —
archived recording (john bolton)
There’s no blind belief within the Taliban in this administration. That’s for superb.
peter baker
— the premise of negotiating with the Taliban.
michael barbaro
Peter, it appears to be like take care of Bolton did indirectly occupy an outsized influence over these profitable international protection concerns that you simply correct outlined. He wanted the U.S. to be out of the Iran nuclear deal. The U.S. is now out. He antagonistic peace talks with Kim Jong Un in North Korea. These talks occupy extra or less stalled, correct? He antagonistic a peace model out the Taliban. The president correct talked about, those are over. Not putrid.
peter baker
Yeah, in lots of how, that’s magnificent, obviously, nonetheless it relies on the anxiety. On Iran, for instance —
archived recording (donald trump)
And I’m no longer having a watch to damage Iran at all. I’m having a watch to occupy Iran express, no nuclear weapons. We have ample concerns in this world correct now with nuclear weapons. No nuclear weapons for Iran. And I hang we’ll accumulate a deal.
peter baker
He used to be pushing on an originate door. The president agreed with John Bolton’s behold of the Iran nuclear deal. They each and every belief it used to be a unpleasant thought, that it used to be giving Iran too mighty leeway, and that they’d presumably well per chance silent accumulate out. So that they agreed on that. But they didn’t agree on, for instance, regime trade. That’s something that Bolton has continuously liked in Iran. The president has now publicly talked about, several times, I’m no longer for regime trade.
archived recording (donald trump)
These are gargantuan folks. It has an more than a few to be a gargantuan country, with the equivalent management. We’re no longer having a await regime trade. I correct are attempting to build up that obvious. We’re having a await no nuclear weapons.
peter baker
On North Korea, you’re correct. The talks are stalled. That in fact gratified John Bolton because he belief that they’re counterproductive and dreadful, nonetheless it potentially wasn’t ensuing from him. It used to be in actuality extra ensuing from Kim no longer coming to the desk with something meaningful. So in rather a few ways, John Bolton did occupy rather a few influence. He critically helped, for instance, pull the United States out of some treaties, take care of the I.N.F. Treaty with Russia, but his successes were in areas where he used to be working with the president’s hang intuition, where he used to be coming into into the equivalent course. The attach he bought in bother used to be where he used to be battling against the tide.
michael barbaro
I’m struck by the indisputable reality that the item you express the president loved most about Bolton, his pugilism, his combative style, is additionally roughly what payment Bolton his job, correct?
peter baker
Yeah. I mean, this used to be something folks talked about even 17 months within the past when he used to be hired. When he used to be hired, folks would express, successfully, I don’t know. I build those two in a room, the inevitable conflict goes to at last power them apart. To a pair folks, what’s in actuality dazzling is that it took this prolonged. But he viewed his job as straightforward how to cease putrid deals from occurring. In fact, within minutes of his resigning, I talked with a one who’s end to Bolton, who talked about, search for, for the 17 months that John Bolton used to be Nationwide Security Consultant, there were no putrid deals. That’s his behold. And we’ve seen this earlier than, where folks who surround the president behold their job as stopping the president from doing issues that they hang to be putrid, correct? In Rex Tillerson’s case, for instance, it used to be the flawed formulation round. He wanted to cease the president from being too combative on this planet. John Bolton wanted to cease the president from being too naive, in his behold, too willing to build up in bed with putrid actors who can’t be depended on. In each and every conditions, it didn’t halt up successfully.
michael barbaro
So Bolton is leaving with all these same international protection matters largely unresolved, which is, I whisper, an anxiety for the following Nationwide Security Consultant. So what stop you’re thinking that ends up occurring next? And what are you able to reveal us about who you whisper the president will opt for that job and what this may presumably well reveal us about how he’s angry by those concerns?
peter baker
Correct. Precisely. I mean, the president talked about nowadays that he’ll name someone next week. Now it suggests he has, per chance, someone in mind, and one amongst the names, for instance, we’ve heard is a man named Steve Biegun. Steve Biegun Is a dilapidated George W. Bush administration advantageous who has been President Trump’s chief negotiator with the North Koreans.
archived recording (steve biegun)
I fully be conscious the significance of this job. The concerns are tricky, and so that they’ll be tricky to solve. But the president has created an opening, and it’s one which we must opt by seizing every that it’s seemingly you’ll presumably well call to mind more than a few to love the imaginative and prescient for a silent future for the folks of North Korea.
peter baker
That can presumably well per chance seem to reveal you, if he picks Biegun, that he’s having a await someone on the opposite facet of Bolton in the case of these designate of diplomacy anxiety, someone who’s willing to focus on with these designate of putrid actors in utter to are trying and negotiate some form of an agreement. On the assorted hand, if he picks a diversified figure, someone who’s extra hardline take care of John Bolton, per chance you’ll see that the policies won’t trade. And the are watching for in actuality may presumably well per chance be extra about personality and fit and chemistry. So we’re having a watch to be conscious who the option is because this would be telling in figuring out where the president will mosey in this next year earlier than re-election.
michael barbaro
So Peter, finally, what are you angry by on this just afternoon, along with the indisputable reality that “The Every day” calls you the complete time now?
peter baker
Nicely, here’s a in actuality spicy 2d in international protection because we stop occupy all these balls up within the air. And we are able to’t reveal whether or no longer or no longer any of them are going to reach to fruition or no longer, correct? The president is talking with, or talking about talking with, North Korea, Iran, the Taliban, Afghanistan.
michael barbaro
Actually, some of our mighty adversaries in historical past.
peter baker
Principal enemies, mighty adversaries. If he were to drag off what he wanted to drag off, it would reshape the realm and The usa’s pickle in it. But, and there’s a gargantuan but, none these are guaranteed. These are all orderly laborious, orderly entrenched disputes that occupy long past by diagram of many, many presidencies earlier than without being resolved. And so he has role himself up for both a gargantuan favor or a gargantuan loss, searching on the diagram it appears to be like over these months to reach.
michael barbaro
I accumulate the sense that John Bolton would take care of to reveal the list of what in actuality took pickle, and I am hoping you are going to then portion with us.
peter baker
I’m having a watch forward to sitting down with him and hearing the list.
michael barbaro
We’ll consult with then you in fact. Thank you, Peter.
peter baker
Thank you.
michael barbaro
We’ll be correct help.
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michael barbaro
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Security: The nationwide security adviser used to be ousted after clashing with President Trump over concerns take care of Afghanistan, Iran and North Korea. But whose option used to be it?

Hosted by Michael Barbaro, produced by Luke Vander Ploeg, Alexandra Leigh Young and Julia Longoria, and edited by Lisa Tobin and Marc Georges

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Security: John Bolton Is Fired. Or Did He Resign?

Hosted by Michael Barbaro, produced by Luke Vander Ploeg, Alexandra Leigh Young and Julia Longoria, and edited by Lisa Tobin and Marc Georges

The nationwide security adviser used to be ousted after clashing with President Trump over concerns take care of Afghanistan, Iran and North Korea. But whose option used to be it?

[PHONE RINGING]
peter baker
Hello.
michael barbaro
Hello, Peter. It’s Michael Barbaro.
peter baker
Hello, how are you?
michael barbaro
Correct, magnificent, magnificent. I factor in I’m catching you fully within the thick of it.
peter baker
Yes.
michael barbaro
Correct how within the thick of it?
peter baker
Love crashing. What’s occurring?
michael barbaro
OK. We seen the president’s tweet about John Bolton being out as Nationwide Security Consultant, and I surprise if I may presumably well per chance correct build a are watching for to you a few questions about it, or is now correct no longer a ultimate time?
peter baker
Yeah. I hang it can probably presumably well be better now to not.
michael barbaro
OK.
peter baker
Is that every body correct? Sorry.
michael barbaro
Yes. We’ll focus on in a little bit.
peter baker
OK. Thanks, bye.
michael barbaro
OK, bye. [SNAZZY MUSIC] From the Recent York Times, I’m Michael Barbaro. And here’s “The Every day.” These days, Peter Baker at last takes the call and explains what took pickle to John Bolton. It’s Wednesday, September 11th. Peter.
peter baker
Hello.
michael barbaro
Hi.
peter baker
Hi there. How are you?
michael barbaro
What a distinction a day makes. Minute 24 hours.
peter baker
Correct every other day in crazy town, as John Kelly would call it.
michael barbaro
Correct. John Kelly. Him. So the day earlier than nowadays, Peter, you were telling us that President Trump used to be calling off a peace model out the Taliban, which is exactly what his Nationwide Security Consultant, John Bolton, used to be pushing for. And that felt take care of a John Bolton favor. Now nowadays, Bolton has both been fired or he stop, searching on who you whisper. So how stop you sq. those two?
peter baker
Nicely, as soon as in a at the same time as you definately can favor a protection wrestle and lose the battle, correct? On this case, Bolton did accumulate what he wanted in the case of ending the negotiations, no longer lower than for now, with the Taliban. But he had so frail down his relationship with the president that, by lower than 24 hours later, he’s out of a job.
archived recording (stephen colbert)
Welcome to The Listless Cowl. I’m your host, Stephen Colbert.
peter baker
After we talked the day earlier than nowadays, there used to be a confrontation between the president and Bolton over this very subject.
archived recording (stephen colbert)
Donald Trump’s invited the Taliban to Camp David the weekend earlier than 11th of September. That’s take care of — there’s nothing that’s take care of that.
peter baker
Of us in Vice President Mike Pence’s camp were upset at Bolton ensuing from a list —
archived recording (stephen colbert)
Each and every Vice President Mike Pence and Nationwide Security Consultant John Bolton belief it used to be a mistake, but in accordance with —
peter baker
— that had reach out announcing that Pence had additionally been against the Camp David meeting with the Taliban. That used to be perceived by Pence’s folks as a style from Bolton’s camp to in most cases enlist allies to jabber, hiya, it wasn’t correct him.
archived recording (stephen colbert)
But in accordance with folks conscious of the talks, Trump wanted to be the deal maker who would build the final parts collectively himself, or no longer lower than be perceived to be. So.
peter baker
They deeply resented that. That used to be blamed on Bolton, pretty or no longer, and so by the time the president talked with Bolton last evening, feelings were in actuality raw.
michael barbaro
Correct, because Bolton had antagonistic the Camp David meeting, and so the thinking is that Bolton would were the one, or folks round him, to build up the discover out that, oh, I’m no longer by myself. Search, even the Vice President antagonistic this meeting.
peter baker
Precisely, and for months, the president had been roughly bristling at what he perceived to be John Bolton’s overly hawkish behold of the realm.
archived recording (donald trump)
John Bolton is in actuality a hawk. If it used to be as much as him, he’d opt on the complete world at one time, OK?
peter baker
You know, he would even joke about that.
archived recording (donald trump)
I in actuality temper John, which is classy unbelievable, isn’t it?
peter baker
He used to be the peacemaker amongst the two.
archived recording (donald trump)
No person belief that used to be going to — I’m the one which tempers him, but that’s OK. I in actuality occupy diversified aspects. I mean, I in actuality occupy John Bolton, and I in actuality occupy other folks who’re a little extra dovish than him.
peter baker
And in lots of how, that used to be magnificent because Bolton didn’t take care of rather a few this diplomacy that used to be occurring, didn’t take care of coping with the North Koreans or the Iranians or the Taliban. He didn’t belief any of them. He didn’t whisper that the United States may presumably well per chance silent accumulate in bed with these putrid actors.
archived recording (john bolton)
Yeah, here’s an all-reason insult that it’s seemingly you’ll presumably well articulate. I’ll discover it to the North Koreans. Search recordsdata from, how stop when the North Korean regime is mendacity? Reply, when their lips are transferring.
peter baker
Whereas the president, as , is someone who’s having a await the gargantuan deal. He’s going to build up a model out the Taliban. Presumably he’ll accumulate a model out Iran.
archived recording (donald trump)
All but again, I hang Iran has orderly financial capability, and I search for forward to permitting them to build up help to the stage where they’ll point out that.
peter baker
And that used to be at the core of the very gargantuan distinction between him and his Nationwide Security Consultant.
michael barbaro
So what happens t

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